Memorial Day
On this memorial day I want to thank the families of those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.
I want to remember those military men and women from every war this country has seen on this memorial day.
We so easily forget in our daily lives that we would not e free to live the way we do if not for those sacrifices.
When you bow your head in contemplative silence, you should be thanking the souls of those dearly departed.
But, though not in memorial, remember the men and women fighting to secure more freedoms for others, to protect the freedoms we enjoy and who patrol our shores to ensure our children can play in safety here.
On this memorial day, I am thankful someone fought for me.
And I'll remember my grandpap who couldn't get into the Navy because of a splinter of glass in his eye from a car accident one week before his Navy physical. On to the Merchant Marines he went. For those that don't know, in WWII the mariners faced perils the U.S. military did not. They were the supply train, the work horse, the pack mule. They were prisoner transport and emergency fuel depot. They were at the front lines, armed just as the military men were. They were brave fighting men and women, though only just recognized by the U.S. government.
So, I'll remember the mariners, many who lost their lives during WWII. And my grandpap. I'll remember him, as he was so very proud of his time in the Merchant Marine. And honored beyond words when the government finally recognized them as part of the military service.
An honored memorial day to you all, Army, Navy, Airforce, Marine, Coast Guard and Merchant Marine! To any that has lost someone in conflict - an honored and thankful memorial day to you all.
Here is a pic of my grandpap on the left and his best friend of nearly 70 years in their uniforms during WWII.
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Wow.
Great picture.
Great post.
; )
posted by
Christina at May 29, 2006 05:17 AM
Ditto what Christina said. :)
I hope that you are having a great weekend.
posted by
Richmond at May 29, 2006 07:54 AM
Yes, during the war I don't think they were properly appreciated, but I think more people know what they have done now and that they were a necessary part of winning the war.
Wonderful post!
posted by
Teresa at May 29, 2006 09:13 AM
... great photos... sailors doing what they do best... drinking up!...
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A Word for LaShawn
I'm a bit late to this virtual party, what can I say - I have a job that pays me the big bucks and I can't spend all day on my blog - like LaShawn.
But, I am a bit aggravated, no wait - incensed that LaShawn Barber would actually say, wait for it . . . "I don’t think women generally have the sensibilities to run the country".
Ok, well, I am not going to repeat the very small, and in no way complete list that the talented Janette at Common Sense Runs Wild has already compiled. Nor am I going to repeat the sentiments of the beautiful Jody at Steal the Bandwagon or the lovely Kathy at Cake Eaters Chronicles because they, and others, even Phin, have said it much better than I. What I will say is this:
I am a woman. I am an accomplished woman. I raise a child, support my family and my extended family and I have the sensibilities to do all of those things and more. In fact, you could say I am the President of my home. The sensibilities needed to run the country are much like those needed to run a home, albeit a bigger home - here are my examples
When someone threatens my home, I have the intelligence and strength of character, not to mention a ready arsenal, to defend my home.
When someone offers me a business opportunity, I have the intelligence and mannerisms to negotiate with that person and follow through with an agreement.
When an argument erupts in my home, I have the savvy to broker a fair and equitable resolution to the problem keeping both sides happy.
When people from different backgrounds and cultures come to my home, they are welcomed with open arms and a sympathetic ear
In my home, I am the zsar of right and wrong. I am the moral compass.
In my home, we have a set of rules, a Constitution if you will, which must be followed as the law of the land.
In my home, I have the power to smite the insignificants, but I use that power sparingly and wisely.
In my home, uninvited visiters--illegal immigrants if you will, are quickly removed and the door to their reentry sealed.
I am the figurehead-the picture that visiters get when they visit my home.
I take the blame for my home even when I am not to blame and I get none of the recognition when something wonderful happens in my home.
I am the sympathetic ear, the voice of reason, and the commander in chief in my home.
Now, LaShawn, what am I missing? What sensibilities help me to run my home and family, indeed my law practice, and my clients very pocketbooks, but not the country? Oh, that's right, a penis.
Well, honey, I will run right out and buy a strap-on if it'll make you feel better. In fact, I'll even let it all hang out like Clinton if it'll make you happier.
For the record: I got high marks at my Ivy League college unlike the following men:
Bill Clinton -- got C's
George W. Bush -- got C's
John Kerry -- got C's and D's
Me, a lowly woman, got A's and B's and at an Ivy League just like those big powerful men. Hmmm. I even went to lawschool and got Dean's list, unlike the previous men and unlike Al Gore who failed out of the seminary of all things.
Now that I have given you proof of both my sensibilities for the job, and my intelligence for the job, let me add one more thing. As a lawyer, a litigator, a mother, a wife, a woman and a minority, I have learned to be no-nonsense in my approach to life. I would not hesitate to use force when necessary. I would not hesitate to leave the negotiating table when my country isn't getting the favorable end of the deal. Oh, and no, I would not hesitate to use my charm, of which I have in spades, to charm world leaders into crossing the aisle to my side.
LaShawn, you may not have the sensibilities to be President. Actually, you do not, as President of the U.S. has to be more humble than you apparently are! However, I certainly do, as do my fellow female bloggers, friends, countrywomen and future daughters.
I have a pricey pair of heels, a gun and a brain, the fact that I have boobs shouldn't lull you into a sense of security about me as I am not afraid to use any of my assets for gain!
Oh, and lest you think you are getting blog traffic from me LaShawn, think again. I have used the brilliant basil's instructions for link directing. basil, not you, will get my traffic, since that is clearly all you think about.
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In a perfect world, LaShawn would be on board the space shuttle right now and Eileen Collins, mission commander, would explain that the only reason LaShawn isn't going out for the fourth space walk without a space suit is that women do, in fact, have the necessary sensibilities.
But that won't happen, because LaShawn lacks the necessary sensibilities and intelligence it would take to be on the space shuttle in the first place.
This ranks right up there with the Soviet engineers who thought that female urine would disolve the space toilet, and therefore were against women being on Mir.
posted by
Rob at August 5, 2005 10:18 AM
On the other hand, not one single one of the women I used to work with at the bank had the sensibilities to be trusted with even the lowest elected office because they were a bunch of socialistic gun-haters.
If LaShawn would've said "most women" instead of "women generally", would that be accurate, or still irritating?
He should've just stuck with criticizing Rice for being moderate.
posted by
Harvey at August 5, 2005 11:25 AM
While everyone is welcome to their opinion, I don't necessarily appreciate the "just cuz" view. She's moderate, she is pro-choice, okay, but the emotional "she's female" simply casts aspersions on the rest of the sex.
I'm not touching the race reference. ;)
I usually agree with LaShawn, but this time I don't. Big deal. It's okay, though, as she's "loving the hate". LOL!
posted by
pam at August 5, 2005 11:51 AM
I'll give you that Harvey. There are many men though too who do not have the sensibilities to hold elected office, let alone procreate, but she isn't generalizing them. I agree, she should have stuck with Rice being moderate, but then again, she doesn't care what I think.
posted by
Oddybobo at August 5, 2005 12:06 PM
I cna understand if she has a problem with Rice, I admit I'm not sold on her either. My reservations are based on Rice's positions not on her sex. The generalization was just over the top and probably meant to generate the traffic and buzz that it did.
posted by
Janette at August 5, 2005 01:36 PM
Hum. My comment didn't post... I was just reminded of an ancient saying: "Teach a man and you have taught a man...but... Teach a woman and you teach a nation."
I submit, that all we have which is noble and true in this world, would not be if not for the innate wisdom, resourcefulness, beauty and sacrifice of women, doing the best they can with what they've been given. Including serving well - the responsibilities to lead and make the tough choices when necessary!
posted by
Dorko at August 5, 2005 01:48 PM
I would agree wholeheartedly with Barber's statement if only she had acknowledged that men, generally, don't have the sensibilities to run the country, either.
How many men do we trust as President and how often have we found that we'd misplaced that trust? Out of the 43 human beings, all men, that have held the office have fallen short? How many have distinguished themselves? The first list is much longer than the second.
So, I won't join in the LaShawn bashing, I'll just be mildly disappointed that she didn't carry the thought to it's logical conclusion.
posted by
Peter at August 5, 2005 02:24 PM
That is precisely the point Peter, she didn't carry the thought to its logical conclusion. In fact, she gives no reasonings at all. I have offered plenty on why women could run the country. She offered not a one. I am not bashing her. In fact, I usually read her. I am bashing the blatant and not well thought out statement, and the apparent ego she displayed in later posts.
posted by
Oddybobo at August 5, 2005 02:28 PM
Oh, honey, I believed you hit every nail on her coffin.
Well done!
posted by
Christina at August 5, 2005 02:34 PM
Oddybobo, even though we tend to sit on different sides of the "political fence", based on your argument put forth here, I would certainly consider voting for you. You most certainly demonstrate the "sensibilities" needed to be president. As for LaShawn, I can only stomach her site in small doses... Good Lord. She's one confused and misinformed sistah!
posted by
imara at August 5, 2005 02:44 PM
Very well said. When I read the aforementioned sentence on LaShawn's blog my thought was, "what an incredibly stupid thing to say! Reason number 4,526 why I do not read her every day." And now I know why I stop by your blog daily -- bravo.
posted by
Richmond at August 5, 2005 04:59 PM
Hmm. Emotional response, check.
Kneejerk reaction, check.
Maybe she's right (as a general rule).
posted by
Jeff Blogworthy at August 5, 2005 07:08 PM
Oddybobo -- You've definitely had the most entertaining yet well-directed rebuttal to her self-absorbness.
I rebutted LB's post to, although in my case I focused on the "ungodly" section related to intelligent design. I passed right over the Condi section because, really, some things are just too silly.
For other entertainment, go check out LB's list of "professional" services. Despite the intellectual build-up, she's basically offering typing services as one of the hot shot cornerstones of business. It's good, honest work but quite a large step, or five, down from her high-brow self-advertisements.
posted by
Roaring Tiger at August 5, 2005 09:21 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again; her opinion is apparently based on the fact that SHE is not equipped for the job. It requires immense mental and emotional toughness, a very thick skin. That is something she is (obviously) wholly lacking. And if she thinks that's a solely female characteristic, she either needs to get out more often, or quit projecting. I've seen and known plenty of men whom I've wanted to slap and say "toughen up," just as much as women.
Brilliant job, Oddy; I wonder if she'll come by here and tell you to quick picking on her as she did with others. ;-)
posted by
Beth at August 5, 2005 10:45 PM
To be truthful, no one really has the sensibilities to run this country - so in a way, LaShawn is correct. Not in the way she intended, I suppose.
Where's Calvin Coolidge or a reasonable female counterpart when you need him/her?
I guess the New Deal added a Constitutional Amendment banning sensibility and we missed it.
posted by
The Babaganoosh at August 6, 2005 12:36 AM
Outstanding post...simply brilliant and well told off if you ask me!
I'm glad bloggers are realizing that in linking a flame you simply send traffic their way.
Hmmm, I think you've inspired some thoughts for a possible post.
Thanks for getting me to move from RSS reading back to the web again.
posted by
Michele at August 6, 2005 01:09 AM
Wow! Great job. That is the best thing I've seen all day.
posted by
Sally at August 6, 2005 01:55 PM
I'm sick of the big bloggers thinking they are all that with the elitist crap. If they say something ignorant they should have to live up to it just like us small blogs do.
posted by
Jay at August 6, 2005 05:36 PM
I left a two-sentence comment on La Shawn's blog about her remarks -- I was totally polite, no swearing or insults -- and she deleted it. Then she banned me!
Is she going off her rocker? That's not sound behavior.
posted by
Matt at August 7, 2005 02:31 PM
I think there are few, men or women, that have the right stuff to run our country....despite whether they have a penis or boobs. Everyone's made great points, especially pointing out that we have been dissapointed in the past with some of our male presidents.
The problem is, just like in the past where we put color on everyone, we are now putting sex on everyone (and not the kind we want :-) ) We are not looking at the qualifications, characteristics and experience...we are judging by our own pre-conceived notions of a general sex.
I know a couple of women (using the phrase "know" loosely) that could be president. I know plenty that could not. But ya know what? I know a couple of men that could be president...and I know plenty that could not.
Great job girl!
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Sissy at August 8, 2005 08:44 AM
s m i l e. . .
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Soldiers stationed at GITMO complained to their visiting Senators - Akaka and Kennedy about the derogatory statements about our soldiers coming out of Washington.
Of course neither Senator has made mention of the complaints, and I will tell you why:
These Washington partisan moonbats do not care about our soldiers or their opinions. What they care about is a story, a good salacious story, which they can use in order to demoralize the population and our fighting forces and place a black mark on the record of our President.
While those moonbats are running around in tight circles, wearing duncecaps and shouting "He lied, he lied!" Our fighting men and women are getting the job done. They watch our six day and night.
Those men and women are saving our butts with the information they squeeze out of terrorists at GITMO. They are making progress in Iraq, though the MSM will never let you know it.
Food for thought, I have a very good friend who was out, completely out of the military after his last tour in Iraq. He worked his menial day job and thought about the freedoms he had taken for granted before. For months he was his normal self. Then, he reenlisted. Much to the horror of his family. He is in Iraq again. When asked why he reenlisted he said: I am free to do what I want here, work my job, go to a movie, drink a coke, all the while my brothers in the military are making that happen for the Iraqiis, it is my duty to go and help them make it happen.
A majority of our fighting men and women believe in what we are doing out there. They don't need moonbats in Washington telling them what they are doing is either unnecessary or wrong. Know this! It doesn't undermine our military when Dickhead Durbin is out parading around spouting nonsense, it undermines his credibility, but strengthens our military's resolve.
Hey Washington! Soldiers have a voice, and a vote, and you can be assured that they will use it when your term is up, whether or not you acknowledge their complaints.
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Amen, sistah!
posted by
Pam at July 22, 2005 03:00 PM
Kennedy is just jealous he didn't get to put women's underwear on his head and squeal like a pig.
posted by
Jay at July 23, 2005 02:55 PM
Oddy, dear Oddy, you just don't understand.
Those poor soldiers were just "misinformed." They didn't really know what it was they were complaining about. Fortunately we have such wonderful saints as Kennedy and Durbin who KNOW what is best for us. They have been annointed as Those Who Know Better. If you disagree with them, you simply are not as enlightened as they are.
Ok, I can't go on, I'm going to be ill.
posted by
Ogre at July 25, 2005 10:23 AM
Obviously the votes of soldiers and their families don't carry as much weight with some politicos, to the point that they tried to keep them out of the 2000 election. It's revolting for sure.
First rule of PR: never mention the complaints.
posted by
Pam M. at July 25, 2005 03:54 PM
You are SO Right On!
Great post -- great sentiments!
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I've Been Thinking, and That Is Bad!
Yep, I have been thinking . . . politics. Now, I got most of my readers from being personal (all 5 of you *wink*) But I got my troll from being political and he's gone and got himself a really great blog so he isn't my troll anymore.
So I am going to get all current events yet again this week, probably to the chagrin of my 5 readers.
I went home and thought about the Supreme Court again yesterday. See, I am utterly perplexed by their "interpretation" of our Constitution.
Let me just start by saying the Constitution is our founding document. It is our law and in it, the Supreme Court is charged with certain duties. They are not all powerful! They should note this for the day when G-d or one of our founding fathers decides enough is enough and strikes them down, but I digress.
I am angry, really genuinely angry. I make my profession in the law. No joke, when I was very young I told anyone that would listen that I wanted to sit on the Supreme Court someday, a pretty lofty goal for a 6 year old. Now, I want to dissolve the Supreme Court, as it is as asinine as the other politicians in Washington. (but if the Prez, wants me for the post, I am so there!)
Let's get back to yesterday, for those of you who are unaware, the First Amendment very clearly says:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
This is key, no where, and I mean no where, I looked several times, does this clause say: the government must remain neutral with respect to religion. SCOTUS just yesterday said this was the overriding principal. Really? Where is it in the Constitution, I looked but couldn't find it!
Let's break it down for the ninnies on the bench. The first phrase: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. The Founding Father's fleeing the government called the "Church of England" understood that a state controlled, sponsored, sanctioned, created . . . religion is not a good thing. It does not say the government can't respect religion, or allow its presence in public. Nor does it say if a religious article is on public grounds that equals the establishment of religion. It just doesn't say it.
The next phrase: or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now, class, it doesn't say "except in courthouses, public schools, county municipal buildings, etc . . . but for works of art or historical nature. It isn't there, I checked again. It says, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That means the people of this great nation should be free to exercise their religion anywhere and in any means they feel inclined to without the interference of the government. (unless the exercise thereof breaks a different law like murder - for those of you following the death of the nun in Europe who was 'gettin the demon out')
Oh, yes, the Constitution also doesn't say, but we'll make an exception if you are a whiny be-yotch who feels offended by my exercise thereof.
The words are plain, there is no ambiguity here. No need for interpretation. Our Founding Father's were mindful of the oppression that One religion so intertwined with the government engendered.
We don't have that here. Sure we have phrases alluding to God, sure we have the occassional Ten Commandments plaque. But we don't have state sponsored religion. Saying "One Nation Under God" in the Pledge doesn't change that fact.
Perhaps when the Supremes said neutral they were referring to that second phrase in the First Amendment. If they were, they still got it wrong. Because they have acted to restrict someone's free exercise of religion.
I am all for the Ten Commandments, the Star of David, Menorah's, Buddah's, medicine wheels, little Hare Krishna's, the Goddess of Fertility, or even a picture of Satan himself being placed smack dab in the middle of the county lawn. That is free exercise of religion, anyone's religion and since it is a public place, owned by the public, the public should get to put anything they want out there and participate fully in that right. It may not be my religion, but it is someone's. And for those with no religion, big smiley faces all around.
This Country was founded on religious tolerance. While we have not always been tolerant, in today's world, it is clear that Christianity is no longer tolerated at all.
Get this straight, all you whiney bastards talking about "separation of church an state," and "I shouldn't have to say the pledge, it hurts my feelings. . ."
Symbols of religion, even statements of religious nature do not "create" or endorse that religion for the masses. They are just symbols and statements, nothing more to you, a whole lot more to some.
In less than one week, the Supreme Court has managed to eliminate property rights and religious rights for Americans. What is next? I will tell you, an avalanche of religious litigation to determine whose cross is historic and who has a pretty picture of an angel and whose plaque of the Ten Commandments is too religious. Disgusting. That we are even having these fights is disgusting.
We have babies dieing because they have no food. We have terrorists bent on killing us because we happen to be Americans or associated with Americans. We have better things to worry about, we really do. But no, we focus our attention on a plaque of the Ten Commandments. For all some people know it was just the title to some movie Charleton Heston made back when he was really nice looking . . . I digress again.
The Commandments are not a threat. They don't shoot flames, bombs, shed articles of clothing, hell they don't even sing! What's more, they can be avoided by a simple "look the other way." You know like libs. do when Dickhead Durbin slanders our military and then sorta apologizes.
I'm sick of all of this. And I am hungry! So that means I'm done ranting for now, but I warn you, any of you, I may be back with more politics soon! It is getting me set for the next election cycle after all!
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Actually it's much simpler than you posit.
When the framers wrote the Constitution they said "Congress shall make no law". No law means just that, no law. Since the courts are instituted to ajudicate law, this means that the Federal Courts have no jurisdiction. None. How could they? No law means nothing to ajudicate. Period.
State and local governments should simply ignore these rulings. They have no basis in law.
Any Federal official trying to enforce such rulings should be arrested and charged with extortion, tresspassing or destruction of property. Judges engaged in meddling where they clearly have no jurisdiction, no law means no jurisdiction, should be arrested and charged with oppression under the color of governement or barratry except that I don't recall the exact spelling.
posted by
Peter at June 28, 2005 01:57 PM
I never thought of it in that vein but I like it.
posted by
Oddybobo at June 28, 2005 02:56 PM
Wow, thanks for such nice comments about my blog, as well as the linkie-luv :-) I don't know that I'm worthy of either, but thanks again.
Hey, I'll *always* be your "troll" ;-)
Good rant! I'm looking forward to more future political views from a lawyer I truly admire :-) Blog ON, friend....
posted by
Gun-Toting Liberal at June 29, 2005 05:44 PM
Oddybobo for Supreme Court Justice! Seriously girl, you make me proud! :-)
posted by
Pam at June 29, 2005 06:39 PM
Hi,
I had never been here before but when my on-line friend/adversary "The Gun-Toting Liberal" suggested you for Chief Justice of the SCOTUS I thought I'd come over and take a look-see.
Enjoyed reading this rant about the Ten Commandments decision and thought I'd engage you with a bit of 'Devils Advocacy.'
You're right that nowhere in the Constitution does it say "the government must remain neutral with respect to religion." and it's questionable that that is an "overriding principal" but it seems to me to be a great idea.
If the government does not remain neutral, the opposite will logically have to be true, e.g., they will be free to play favorites. That seems like a real bad idea.
On the other hand, if all religious symbology was banished from all public venues what harm would be done. People are free to practice their religion in their churches, in their homes and within their families and circles of equally religious friends -- there is just no logical reason to plant a religious tableau (any religion) in a public place. Religion is not (IMO) and should not be a public thing -- it's everyone's personal relationship with their God or with life or with nature or with whatever, to them, is worthy of their worship, praise and respect.
Here's another benefit of not allowing public religious displays: there are lots and lots of religions -- if you allow one, you must allow them all. Imagine you go to your court house and, there on the lawn, beside the front door, is some really vile statue from the Church of Satan (Lucifer deflowering a virgin or something like that.) Happy now? You did say: "the people of this great nation should be free to exercise their religion anywhere and in any means they feel inclined to without the interference of the government."
Watch what you ask for!
Realistically, you're advocating the completely unregulated exercise of religion and while that sounds really nifty and American we simply must realize that religion is, literally, anything you want it to be. Either that or we could have the Congress 'define' religion.
No I don't really have any answers to these quandaries! You're the future SCOTUS justice -- you tell me.
BTW: All jousting aside, I like the way you think and if I was POTUS you'd certainly qualify to be nominated for SCOTUS.
Smile: You've been Blogrolled!
posted by
Whymrhymer at July 1, 2005 01:22 PM
Christianity is not tolerated? Er, yeah... WHEN is a Christian FINALLY going to get elected President??
Keep your 10 Commandments in your church (the generic "you") and maybe take a look at them once in awhile. "Love thy neighbor" doesn't exclude homosexuals, Jews, blacks, women, Muslims, liberals, etc.
"Under God" is not part of the original Pledge. It was added by the Knights of Columbus in the '50s. It's intrusive. I don't protest it, I just tell my kids they don't need to say that part.
The only people who are trying to push their agenda on anyone are the Evangelical Christians. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Want to pray? Knock yourself out. Don't want gay people to get married? Take a look at your own marriage and question why you are so threatened by what other people do.
I am sick and tired of my country being hijacked by religious zealots. I honestly wish the rest of us could secede.
posted by
panthergirl at July 4, 2005 12:44 PM
Yay! Someone who doesn't read my post but rants nonetheless.
This country hasn't been hijacked by religious zealots, unless of course you mean the ones who killed 3000 people on 9-11 or the ones whiney fundies on the left are sympathetic towards.
By all means, secede. Please. I promise not to miss you. While you are gone, perhaps you should take a reading comprehension class. Because your comment had nothing to do with my post. But hey, free country and all . . .
posted by
Oddybobo at July 5, 2005 02:01 PM
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ."
First, the Constitution is law in the sense that it is a framework within which other laws are made. The laws are passed by Congress, and Congress can even ammend the Constitution. The Judicial is a check-and-balance that reviews cases, especially ones based on laws that seem to conflict with the Constitution.
So, you are not going to find many specific references to your daily piccadellos in the Constitution, like "Where does it say the government should be religious-neutral?"
If the Congress makes no laws respecting the establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof, it IS neutral. That's what the words mean.
"It does not say the government can't respect religion, or allow its presence in public. Nor does it say if a religious article is on public grounds that equals the establishment of religion. It just doesn't say it."
"The next phrase: or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Now, class, it doesn't say "except in courthouses, public schools, county municipal buildings, etc . . . but for works of art or historical nature. It isn't there, I checked again. It says, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That means the people of this great nation should be free to exercise their religion anywhere and in any means they feel inclined to without the interference of the government. (unless the exercise thereof breaks a different law like murder - for those of you following the death of the nun in Europe who was 'gettin the demon out')"
Actually, as far as I know, what you say is true, with one catch. If your practice of displaying religious artifacts or holding religious ceremonies at public facilities is challenged by other citizens, it becomes a civil legal matter in which the local resolution could end up in the Courts where fairness to ALL citizens must be taken into account.
If I'm not mistaken, in such cases, most courts rule that religious artifacts can be displayed if everybody else has an opportunity to display their religious artifacts. In most cases, this is not practical and opens up a whole new can of worms.
That is why we got that kinda "iffy" read from the SCOTUS on the Ten Commandments thing. It kinda depends on how the artifact is displayed. AND it all starts with a Civil complaint, that is not necessarily a Constitutional crisis.
If one checks with the ACLU, one will find that they don't even enter into such issues unless there is a Civil challenge to the status quo.
posted by
Ghost Dansing at July 6, 2005 05:14 AM
Actually Ghost, "if one checks with the ACLU," one will find that the ACLU never enters a matter on the side of christian freedoms, so thanks, but I won't be checking with the ACLU.
The SCOTUS is charged with interpreting the Constitution (Since Marbury) not adding to it!
posted by
Oddybobo at July 6, 2005 08:20 AM
While all of you kids are looking at the trees, let me show you the forest.
Why is there such a stink about the stone tablets in a courthouse when each and every POTUS has sworn to support and defend the constitution with his hand on a Christian bible?
There it is right there...a forest.
When this country elects a non-christian president, I'll eat a friggin' football helmet.
If SCOTUS was hitherto unaware of a question of promoting a particular religion as being the "official religion of the US government" it is because every Chief Justice who has ever sworn in a President was as dumb as a bag of hammers.
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From My Cold Dead Hands . . .
In what is set to become a sweeping and disturbing precedent, a split 5-4 Supreme Court has ruled that a municipality can steal your property and give it to private developers for the "good of the community"
It used to be that the Constitution meant something to the law. The Fifth Amendment allowed the taking of property by eminent domain for the "public good", that is to allow for the building of schools, hospitals, roads and other "public" facilities. Never was a community allowed to steal your property and give it to a private interest so that private interest could make money. Did it happen anyway? Sure. Now, however, the Supreme Court has rubber-stamped any such takings.
LISTEN UP PEOPLE! This means that your town or boro or city can take your land and home and put up a shopping mall and you can't do jack about it!
Yep, they will say the area needs to be "revitalized" to cure blight and they will steal what is yours from right under your nose. This is the liberals at their finest. And Gun Toting Lib, I don't mean you! I mean those so-called "progressives" who are really socialists in sheeps' clothing. The liberals who are all for the redistribution of private property "for the good of the people." To them I say over my dead body!
Now, I live in a very rural community that could benefit from a hotel, shopping mall, hell even a restaurant. I have 13 acres and small house. My land is prime location for such a private development, but I dare anyone to come upon my land and try to take it. When I say dead body, I mean dead body. I will take several people with me on my way out of this life. The perils of trying to steal one's castle, I guess. I will not roll over on that. I will get my family to saftey, say my goodbyes and then pick people off, one at a time, until I myself have perished. I will not go willingly, quietly or without fight.
The Constitution GUARANTEES certain rights. In some instances those rights have been expanded by the courts to include property rights, now the right to your property has been eviserated.
When your home is razed to build a strip mall you can no longer complain. Socialists with their agenda have taken your right to complain away. Oh and private developers and big business don't get off here either. They take advantage of your loss of property and benefit themselves.
I don't buy into the crap that "this will revitalize the community and bring in jobs." Here's one for ya! Hotels hire, for the most part, immigrants for the housekeeping and blue collar work. The desk clerks, at least at the fancy hotels, come from other countries and proudly display that fact on their name tags. So much for "jobs for the community." Oh sure, there will probably be a Walmart to work in, maybe even a new TGIFridays, but at what cost? The cost of someone's property and freedom to live without interference thereon.
I will never, ever visit New London, CT. I will never, ever stay in the fancy waterfront hotel, visit the museum or shop in the strip mall. I will never, ever tire in telling others to shun New London, CT. People's homes, lives, memories, are being stolen to benefit the government of New London, CT, and soon your town.
Watch your back my friends. That prime piece of real estate you sit on, the home where you raised your kids, may just be sold to the highest bidder, by your own government. Think you get some of that "fair compensation?" Think again. The government will pay you bupkiss, and then sell it to some developer for prime dollar.
Nope, you can't blame this one on our current sitting President. This is all on so-called-Judges who think the Constitution and its guaranteed protections are worthless.
Again I say, "over my dead body!" You may take my land, but not before I take some of you out!
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I couldn't believe it when I saw it. My hubby forwarded the news article to me. (I don't get to watch much tv with 2 kids). I am not happy about this. I agree with you... over my dead body (and a few others)
posted by
vw bug at June 23, 2005 01:59 PM
Time to slap a fresh clip in your mailbox & go huntin' bureaucrats :-)
posted by
Harvey at June 23, 2005 02:46 PM
Yes, this is just the latest step in the march toward a socialist utopia, where the government decides what's best for you and your family, even if it means turning you out of your home so that the "community" can be the recipient of someone else's largesse. I'm a couple of hours away from New London, and I am appalled that this could happen in my state. Hey, if you can't get what you want via the voters, get it through the courts. That's why Bush's appointees have gotten so much grief. I am thoroughly disgusted with the whole thing!!!
posted by
Pam M. at June 23, 2005 03:59 PM
You are exactly right Pam. Bush's appointees would, hopefully, curb some of this dictating from the bench. I feel for you, living in a nearly socialist state!
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Oddybobo at June 23, 2005 04:46 PM
Thanks for the honorable mention, BOBO :-)
I cannot freaking BELIEVE this happened! The SCOTUS needs to be bitch-slapped for this one! And the last one (medical marijuana)! What a bunch of kooks.
posted by
Gun-Toting Liberal at June 23, 2005 09:38 PM
So I take it, if you are for property rights, you are for flag burning. People who burn the flag, are burning the ones that they bought, it is their property (not yours) and so they can do with their property as they see fit. If you are consistent on this issue, then you are far ahead of your conservative friends.
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Tony Martin at June 24, 2005 05:02 AM
You are correct Mr. Martin. While I respect the flag, no revere the flag, I do not think it is this government's place to tell me what I can and cannot do with one I purchased. Not to mention that we still have free speech (or at least we do in theory) and while I don't like it, it is a form of free expression. If we hold as free expression the "Piss Christ" we damn well better hold flag burning in the same vein. And do be so quick to judge my conservative bretheren, much like liberals, the loudest spoken are usually the minority, but because they are the loudest, the label for the respective sides automatically reflects their beliefs.
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Oddybobo at June 24, 2005 09:47 AM
All I can say is wow. How freaking sad!
posted by
Sissy at June 24, 2005 09:50 AM
Hey, that happens, send out a call to arms. it's amazing what "antique" artillary can do to moral. :)
posted by
Contagion at June 24, 2005 10:34 AM
I'll bet you all as much as you have in your banks and wallets that money was involved.
Think about it for a second, these nine judges are all people who own their own houses and property and love owning their own property. They would never want their house taken away from them to build a new shopping mall or Safeway or whatever. Now, if you look at the fact that four, of the nine, voted no and a convenient five voted yes, there's nothing in the world that would make me believe anything but bribery.
I think that for decisions like this, they should appoint nine judges, and up until the very last moment, these ARE the judges that will decide, even they don't know they're really just scapegoats, and on the day of the vote everyone is replaced by people who have had no idea that they would be judges in the matter. Then they are watched by hawks (figuratively, of course!) to be sure that nothing exchanges hands.
I guarantee you they would not have voted to ruin some family's life. These businesses are going to make a lot of money, they know that fifty grand to some judges is nothing compared to what they'll make after it's been finished. It's like doctors that treat a cancer patient for free, they know that when the news gets out about them being such wonderfully nice people, there's a good chance that more people will go to them.
Just once I'd love to get some pictures of a judge taking a bribe, I would blackmail the S out of them, THEN, I would turn in the pictures and start a big deal and make 'em lose their jobs. It's like being a rat in jail, but these guys completely deserve it. And, of course, there's next to no chance that I'll get shanked afterwards. ;)
posted by
Stephen at June 24, 2005 04:38 PM
Like you, I live in the country. Like you, my land is a prime target for developers (people come by wanting to buy land once or twice a month). Like you, I'm enraged.
This is a great post - may I use it for your Cotillion entry?
posted by
MaxedOutMama at June 26, 2005 09:55 AM
Property is property, right?
Any personal posession is part of your property. Land, house, car, gun, ...
The constitution suffered another kick in the nuts in this case, and people are totally up in arms about it (including me). I have yet to hear of anyone 'for' this decision, except 5 supreme court morons, and the muffled roar of an indeterminate number of developers everywhere stifling moans whilst creaming their jeans.
Funny though, how a big chunk of the population thinks it's okay to step all over the second ammendment trying to take away other personal property which we have a right to own.
posted by
Dave S. at June 28, 2005 07:45 PM
Outstanding! Over my dead body indeed. It's remarkable that the highest court in the land, or a majority of it, anyway, treats our Constitution no better than the roll of paper you (hopefully) find in any restroom. When will it end? Now, with Sandy O'Conner calling it quits, the Dems are gearing up for a big brawl in the Senate. It's unfortunate the President didn't already name a nominee... then we'd really have some fireworks for the Fourth.
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Logan at July 3, 2005 05:55 AM
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